Are Oak Knoll/Monterey Intersection Changes Dangerous? (Poll)

Some San Marino residents have shared that relocated stop signs and crosswalks at Oak Knoll Avenue and Monterey Road are causing near-collisions. What do you think of the intersection lately? Vote in our poll and share your thoughts.

While stop signs and crosswalks are usually a tool to aid safety, a few readers shared with Patch this week that changes at the Oak Knoll Avenue and Monterey Road intersection are a hazard:

“The new 4 way stop sign intersection at Monterey and Los Robles is unbelievably dangerous and poorly designed, I almost was hit while pushing my stroller and the stop signs are set so far back that cars are obstructed by the landscaping of the houses on each corner... While I stood to talk to a neighbor and the great city maintenance workers working on the intersection we witnessed countless near missed accidents!” -Mary Frances Dee Buckley shared on the San Marino Patch facebook page

“Numerous near-collisions at Oak Knoll/Monterey. Crosswalks and stop signs have been relocated. Be careful.” -Kim Besen said on twitter

“I came close to getting hit the first day. I already warned the City Manger [sic] Office of its danger. They need to a [sic] re-think it!” –Tony Jacoy shared on our facebook page

"The 'relocation' makes this intersection blind and even more dangerous! I drive through it numerous times on a daily basis. I, too, was nearly in a collision on the first day!" -Cynthia Banks Scannell shared on our facebook page


What do you think of the intersection changes? Have you witnessed any near-accidents at the Oak Knoll and Monterey Road intersection lately? Vote in the poll and share your thoughts in the comments section below.

Karen Beardsley May 17, 2012 at 06:02 PM
Yes I cannot believe the blind spot as you're traveling west on Monterey! It is awful! They better change that back before someone gets hurt
Jeff Groseth May 17, 2012 at 06:16 PM
Just drove through this morning. Really bad idea. Even if locals "get used to it" outsiders will continue to difficulties and spells "a c c i d e n t s".
Jeff Groseth May 17, 2012 at 06:17 PM
Sorry insert "continue to HAVE difficulties.
Pat Salvaty May 17, 2012 at 06:28 PM
New crosswalk placements are dangerous. Limit lines leave crosswalks obscured.
Elizabeth Olson May 17, 2012 at 09:20 PM
I was going West on Monterey Road yesterday at 1:30 and then again at 4:30 p.m. This is one of the most dangerous intersections that I have ever seen. Someone ?? has made the decision to move the pedestrian crosswalks and stop signs on all 4 corners approximately 5 feet before you get to the actual corner. As I was going West on Monterey, I stopped at Oak Knoll and looked to the corner which, by the way you can no longer see from the stop sign, and proceeded to cross the intersection when a car going south on Oak Knoll came through the intersection and missed me by about one foot. Again, coming South on Oak Knoll at 4:30 p.m., I stopped the the stop sign and could not see the cars at the stop sign to my left, or on the East side of Monterey. I started to go when a car came out of nowhere on Monterey and almost hit me again--this makes twice in one day. Again this morning, same thing. If there is some reason to slow the traffic down, I believe you should put speed bumps on all those streets like Old Mill Road has and that for sure will slow down all the traffic. Something has to be done about this crazy idea that someone has had as there are going to be many accidents there.
Jeff Groseth May 17, 2012 at 09:32 PM
Elzabeth sorry you such such a close call. I have a guess as to why this was done and if it turns out correct I have a alternate "fix" that I will suggest to the city. Then maybe we can be safe again. Many drivers were confused as I went through this morning.
Elizabeth Olson May 17, 2012 at 11:47 PM
Dear Jeff: I don't think "confusion" is the correct word for this mess; the truth is, it is a very dangerous intersection. Can you think of any intersection that you know of where the stop signs and crosswalks are not on the corners but sit back from the intersection where no one can see the other driver? I don't think so. The City Council and the Mayor need to go out to the intersection where they have approved this mess and take a close look. Someone must have "hoodwinked" them into signing for this and the City Engineer???? What kind of an "qualified" Engineer, would ever design something like this? Hmmmm! I predict there are going to be many accidents on that corner and they will be sooner rather than later.
Jessica Hamlin May 18, 2012 at 12:08 AM
The City sent a response about the intersection this afternoon that we just posted. What do you think of their response? http://patch.com/A-tw2D
RG May 18, 2012 at 03:07 AM
The supposed traffic "calming" measures that have become the darling of traffic and road engineering are in the most cases more dangerous and really do very little. For example the traffic circles and sections of curbs that project out in the street on Granada Road, do little other than being annoying. I see little change in speed. When turning left with on coming traffic where you are in the process of turning I cannot tell you how many times the driver coming the opposite direction will violate your right of way and attempt to proceed as you are just about to complete your left turn going around the round about circle. On the curb projections that are supposed to make one mentally decide to slow down. They dont work at that task other than about the first time you drive down the block. Worse yet they cause more one car accidents. I guarantee on a foggy or dark and rainy night the curb projections end up claiming car suspensions. One only need to look at the tire marks on the curb projections to know that to be a true statement. But setting stop signs way back, such as at the new Oak Knoll intersection, where cars cannot easily see one another before proceeding is really dumb.
smhs '12 May 18, 2012 at 03:41 AM
The best solution to these problems: finish the 710 freeway. Trying to solve traffic problems by slowing down speeds only accomplishes one thing, SLOWING DOWN CARS. That just adds to congestion and emissions. Adding psychological and confusing roadblocks in the street just creates gridlock and danger, but will never rid the cars from the street. The cars HAVE to go somewhere, and they certainly will NOT drive out of their way to Fair Oaks or Sierra Madre to make the North/South journey that the 710 is supposed to carry. If the cars must go through the area, then let them go through safely and quickly.
Leslee Sherrill May 18, 2012 at 02:31 PM
It is designed like a maze. No one has any idea what the polls mean. People are stopping half-way through to avoid someone else plowing into them. It is simply an absurd lay-out not to mention incredibly dangerous.
Nelson Jones May 18, 2012 at 03:12 PM
Put lights in. No one likes them, but they will kill the problem quick.
Andrew Campbell May 18, 2012 at 03:15 PM
Take out all those posts in the street. Just more stuff for the cars to hit. It's very confusing all those sticks and lanes in the roadway. Andrew Campbell
Jeff Groseth May 18, 2012 at 03:18 PM
You are patently wrong about the effect of circles and curb projections. Daily I see them working wonderfully as I drive in Pasadena.
Jeff Groseth May 18, 2012 at 03:20 PM
Also the flashing sidewalk lights that a pedestrian activates would improve pedestrian safety without making this mess of the street. They can be seen working excellently on Oak St both in front of the YMCA and further west near the elementary school.
Jeff Groseth May 18, 2012 at 03:23 PM
Yes abosolutly a mess this morning and they nearly got some children run over. A car northbound could not see some little children, the kids were shorter then the poles and there are so many poles you can not see through them clearly. The car started into the intersection and then stopped in the middle once the children could be seen. Great safety improvement San Marino. DISMISS THE ENTIRE TRAFFIC BOARD AND OUR TRAFFIC ENG.
Kim Besen May 18, 2012 at 05:21 PM
Went through again after it was fixed and I still don't get it. Heading West on Monterey I had to stop 3 times to get through the intersection. First at the stop sign, then once each to avoid oncoming cars from the North and South on Oak Knoll. The poles add to the confusion.
Jeff Groseth May 18, 2012 at 05:30 PM
We all really need to email our thoughts to the city council member and Matt the city manager. I have a group email list for this and will share it with anyone who emails me. jeff@phobos.caltech.edu
Jessica Hamlin May 18, 2012 at 10:34 PM
It will be interesting to see how this pans out. Keep us posted, Jeff!
Kristina Brown May 19, 2012 at 02:07 AM
Part of stopping at a four way stop is to make eye contact with the opposing drivers or at least to get a visual that the opposing car has made a complete stop or better, that no one is waiting to proceed and the way is clear. How many degrees does it take to figure out that not being able to see pedestrians in the crosswalk or opposing traffic is asinine. Redoing that intersection was a complete and total waste of time, money and energy.
Joanne McCloskey May 19, 2012 at 04:36 AM
A complete lame-brain idea. I can't believe somebody actually gets paid to think up these stupid things. Just leave the intersection alone!!!!


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